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Best playofff performer on golden state pretty easily, and they don’t win 17 or 18 without him, best player in 19 playoffs before injury too, and he had as much gravity as Steph
Why didn’t the Warriors just spam KD Steph PnRs. Literally unguardable.
steph fakes the screen and pops out to the 3, the defender goes switch leaving steph open. Very little to do with KDs gravity . Just a good play.
It’s a fake screen and pop out to the 3 by steph not kd’s gravity
It’s madness that they broke up that team
Me when playing Pick-And-Fade in 2K24:
Dude what if Steph had played with another star for more than 3 seasons? Not even at KD’s level, just like PG. Someone good enough to be in the mvp race in their prime but never win it. I think Steph would have more rings. I used to hate him but I’ve come around, he’s so incredibly skilled and well rounded. He has crazy discipline
The hardest road my arse. The easiest carry-job for Durant to latch onto.
Yeah their gravity is very good actual cancerous stuff
lol…”open”
I can never comprehend Warriors fans nitpicking things about one of their all-time player to prop up another.
Most of the shots are open for Steph, defenders are late to close in and when defenders do close in he has a wide open lane for an open floater.
Just coming back to say I was right
It’s a bad title or you just don’t know what “gravity” means.
Most of these are just normal screen and roll or pick and rolls plays and doesn’t have anything to do with gravity. It’s just that the player setting the screen/pick just so happens to be the greatest shooter of all time.
It’s not that deep bro. You could easily make a cut of Steph doing the same thing for KD. It’s how pick and rolls work.
No one said otherwise. Lol these Stephews are so insecure that they have to make sure you know it could’ve worked the other way around too
Go watch highlights of Steph without KD. They look the same. KD is not adding gravity. Steph is just moving off ball.
Bro most people aren’t nitpicking kd here. They’re nitpicking you for adding in a bunch of edge cases instead of leaving it at a video that goes way harder. Your post is “Kevin Durant’s gravity leads to open Steph Curry buckets” but a third of the clips aren’t clear cut.
That’s open enough
its so unreal how good steph is in a pick a pop offense. especially with him and KD. its just unfair
But I was told only Steph has gravity and KD is a glorified Harrison Barnes?
I mean KD obviously isn’t Barnes but those Warriors teams from 17-19 in Regular Season + Playoffs had a 117 offensive rating when Steph was on the court and KD was on the bench and 112 when KD was on the court and Steph on the bench. The true impact came when they both were on the court but we have just substantially more evidence that Steph was the driver of the offense. Not to mention just look at what Steph was able to do vs Boston in ‘22 with no secondary creator other than Jordan Poole and what KD did in ‘22 with Kyrie. There’s different levels to impact, Steph is and was just a better player.
My issue with this sub when it comes to on/off is that people often pick and choose when to use it or give it context.
Like Russ without KD playoff lineups regularly performed better offensively than Russ with KD lineups. Yet you never heard anybody bring that stat up to say Russ is more impactful or whatever.
Regardless, on/off isn’t that simple. The rotations you run and just quite literally the playstyle of the team all play a part. Hence why even Steph and KD on/off numbers got alot closer if you look at playoff only as well. Basketball doesn’t work like that and shouldn’t be looked at that way only when comparing two players.
Sure it’s not the be all end all but the Dubs literally won two championships without KD, they won 73 games before he got there. Like we know that as good as he is, he wasn’t the secret ingredient to their success.
I think the point isn’t he’s the secret ingredient
It’s just he isn’t Harrison Barnes and actually helped win games lol
No one is saying he’s Harrison and that he didn’t help win games he’s Kevin Durant of course he did lol but my thing is acting like his gravity was on the level of Curry’s is just not what happened on the court. We watched the games and have watched both guys play without each other.
I agree with you and in fact used those same stats in a comment a week ago, but I don’t think Steph is a better player per se. I think he creates a better offense and is a more impactful player, but I understand when people say kd is the better player since that’s subjective to some degree.
but I don’t think Steph is a better player per se. I think he creates a better offense and is a more impactful player,
Curry is the better offensive player and is more impactful than KD because he’s simply the better basketball player. People have a hard time with this concept because KD is taller and has a more aesthetically pleasing jumper which of course is a shallow way to evaluate who affects winning more.
KD never joins the warriors he likely never wins and we aren’t having this discussion. He should be compared to james harden not curry or LeBron.
I agree with you and personally put Steph above KD. I believe Steph has a greater offensive impact on a team and KD has a greater defensive impact, so depending on roster construction I think theres instances where KD would have a larger impact which is all i meant when I said who the better player is can be subjective.
so depending on roster construction I think theres instances where KD would have a larger impact which is all i meant when I said who the better player is can be subjective.
If KD’s defensive impact could overcome the difference between curry’s and his offensive impact you would be right but we know that isn’t the case. Because KD doesn’t protect the paint, his defensive impact is about the same as a curry’s over a large sample size.
Then you mention the words ‘playmaking or ‘ball handling’ when we talk about their offensive impact and the gap between curry and Durant’s offensive impact becomes insurmountable. It’s not a coincidence curry has the deep ties to winning and KD has the deeper ties to losing. KD isn’t on the same level as curry otherwise OKC would have a championship.
If you watch more than a handful of cherry picked clips, you’ll see that’s broadly true
I never understand why GSW fans downplay KD’s impact.
They act like two legends can’t coexist
Neither Steph nor KD came top 5 in MVP these seasons. NBA media were honestly so pissed lmao
How could they be? Take either off the team and they’re still going to be a top seed.
Yea they were never in the consideration, before the season started you’d always have ppl saying that they “would take votes away from each other”
It is true tho. Impossible to give either MVP. Sure Steph is more valuable offensively but KD is more valuable for defense and rebounding and they both give you 27 a night on godly efficiency.
I mean what could you really do against them…either double KD or Steph and just hope one of them misses
And if you double them both you got Klay sitting in the corner taking uncontested 3s. KD still a hoe for that move lol
I forgot about klay too lmao that team was bullshit
Then had Draymond and Iggy as elite defensive Swiss Army knife players
You MFers acting like you forgot about Klay
Raptors ended prime Klay :(
How could they forget
Yeah but what do you say to somebody you hate?
Or anyone tryna bring trouble your way?
Wanna resolve things in a bloodier way?
Then study a tape of GSW Bay
Just study the break of Klay’s only good leg
Klay was literally an afterthought in the 2017 playoffs - 15 ppg on less than 40% fg and they went 16-1. That’s the same guy who put up 24ppg the previous year in the playoffs putting up 42% from 3 taking almost 10 attempts per game.
Ridiculous that a player of that calibre could be relegated to a role player and shoot poorly and still absolutely run through the league with ease and destroy a LeBron/Kyrie led team basically in their primes.
That team was insane, the best ever IMO.
Nah after playing with Westbrook whole career ball movement warriors were exactly what he wanted to play in . Team had cap space and he was free agent. More bitch move to cry about a legal move just because it made the team so good. If rockets made one more 3 they knock off warriors too
It was a bitch move the way he left.
Imagine if lebron went the celtics after his first Cleveland stint.
They were already champs. Softest move ever. Grats on his chips but
Seattle residents sitting here watching an OKC fan bitch about their player leaving like
why? he was a free agent
Who didn’t inform any single person within the organisation of his decisions. That proceeded to talk shit about okc players and the org. Who went to the team we lost in the finals to by a single game. Who went to a team that had already won championships. If any of those things are different it’s not that big of a deal.
All they needed was 28, 29, maybe 30 chances…
What was the Rockets’ gameplan for the KD warriors
KD said himself the Rockets just switched everything so these screen actions didn’t give them much of an advantage, and then they’d live with letting the Warriors iso on whoever switched
KD Breaker of the Balance of the Association
nah that happened way before when Lebron started jumping ship with other superstars in their primes
Like when he went to Boston to team up with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen
old guys on their last leg teaming up aint the same as Lebron teaming up with superstars in their primes. Celtics didn’t disrupt balance when they didn’t even repeat consecutive Finals appearances
Just goes to show how stacked this Dubs team was, literally a choose how you want to lose situation.
These teams were straight up unfair, you could get lucky and win the odd game against them, but nobody was beating a healthy KD-era Warriors team in a 7 game playoff series. Even as a Raps fan, I can say with confidence, no way we beat them if KD was healthy.
The first year with KD, where they went 16-1 in the playoffs, was absolutely nuts 😂
16-1 and they weren’t trying that hard
Reverse screen with KD as the ball handler and Steph as the screener was some OP strat. Can’t give KD space from the screen. Can’t blitz the ball handler because you’ll leave Steph wide open. Can’t just switch either because you’ll get horrible mismatches. Only hope is KD makes a bad pass, Steph somehow misses a wide open shot, or KD smokes an easy middy or layup.
Then there’s Klay waiting as the extra pass.
That whole season was a cheat code. There have been “clearly the best team that year” champions over the decades, but this warriors team was legitimately, by definition, virtually unbeatable.
Crazy to have witnessed the world crucify the lakers at even the THOUGHT of Chris Paul playing with Kobe Bryant but that same universe allowed this fairytale lineup to exist.
The showtime lakers had battles. The 80s Cs had battles. The bulls had battles. Dynasty lakers and spurs had battles. This warriors unit, to me, short of KD altering the timeline with a ripped Achilles, is the most unbeatable team in history.
They did get taken to seven though.
people are usually pretty clear that the 2017 warriors were significantly better than the 2018 team
If we are going to pick a single year, 01 Lakers absolutely tore through the playoffs and threepeated
They threepeated in 02, 01 was back to back