I mean KD obviously isn’t Barnes but those Warriors teams from 17-19 in Regular Season + Playoffs had a 117 offensive rating when Steph was on the court and KD was on the bench and 112 when KD was on the court and Steph on the bench. The true impact came when they both were on the court but we have just substantially more evidence that Steph was the driver of the offense. Not to mention just look at what Steph was able to do vs Boston in ‘22 with no secondary creator other than Jordan Poole and what KD did in ‘22 with Kyrie. There’s different levels to impact, Steph is and was just a better player.
My issue with this sub when it comes to on/off is that people often pick and choose when to use it or give it context.
Like Russ without KD playoff lineups regularly performed better offensively than Russ with KD lineups. Yet you never heard anybody bring that stat up to say Russ is more impactful or whatever.
Regardless, on/off isn’t that simple. The rotations you run and just quite literally the playstyle of the team all play a part. Hence why even Steph and KD on/off numbers got alot closer if you look at playoff only as well. Basketball doesn’t work like that and shouldn’t be looked at that way only when comparing two players.
Sure it’s not the be all end all but the Dubs literally won two championships without KD, they won 73 games before he got there. Like we know that as good as he is, he wasn’t the secret ingredient to their success.
No one is saying he’s Harrison and that he didn’t help win games he’s Kevin Durant of course he did lol but my thing is acting like his gravity was on the level of Curry’s is just not what happened on the court. We watched the games and have watched both guys play without each other.
I agree with you and in fact used those same stats in a comment a week ago, but I don’t think Steph is a better player per se. I think he creates a better offense and is a more impactful player, but I understand when people say kd is the better player since that’s subjective to some degree.
but I don’t think Steph is a better player per se. I think he creates a better offense and is a more impactful player,
Curry is the better offensive player and is more impactful than KD because he’s simply the better basketball player. People have a hard time with this concept because KD is taller and has a more aesthetically pleasing jumper which of course is a shallow way to evaluate who affects winning more.
KD never joins the warriors he likely never wins and we aren’t having this discussion. He should be compared to james harden not curry or LeBron.
I agree with you and personally put Steph above KD. I believe Steph has a greater offensive impact on a team and KD has a greater defensive impact, so depending on roster construction I think theres instances where KD would have a larger impact which is all i meant when I said who the better player is can be subjective.
so depending on roster construction I think theres instances where KD would have a larger impact which is all i meant when I said who the better player is can be subjective.
If KD’s defensive impact could overcome the difference between curry’s and his offensive impact you would be right but we know that isn’t the case. Because KD doesn’t protect the paint, his defensive impact is about the same as a curry’s over a large sample size.
Then you mention the words ‘playmaking or ‘ball handling’ when we talk about their offensive impact and the gap between curry and Durant’s offensive impact becomes insurmountable. It’s not a coincidence curry has the deep ties to winning and KD has the deeper ties to losing. KD isn’t on the same level as curry otherwise OKC would have a championship.
I mean KD obviously isn’t Barnes but those Warriors teams from 17-19 in Regular Season + Playoffs had a 117 offensive rating when Steph was on the court and KD was on the bench and 112 when KD was on the court and Steph on the bench. The true impact came when they both were on the court but we have just substantially more evidence that Steph was the driver of the offense. Not to mention just look at what Steph was able to do vs Boston in ‘22 with no secondary creator other than Jordan Poole and what KD did in ‘22 with Kyrie. There’s different levels to impact, Steph is and was just a better player.
My issue with this sub when it comes to on/off is that people often pick and choose when to use it or give it context.
Like Russ without KD playoff lineups regularly performed better offensively than Russ with KD lineups. Yet you never heard anybody bring that stat up to say Russ is more impactful or whatever.
Regardless, on/off isn’t that simple. The rotations you run and just quite literally the playstyle of the team all play a part. Hence why even Steph and KD on/off numbers got alot closer if you look at playoff only as well. Basketball doesn’t work like that and shouldn’t be looked at that way only when comparing two players.
Sure it’s not the be all end all but the Dubs literally won two championships without KD, they won 73 games before he got there. Like we know that as good as he is, he wasn’t the secret ingredient to their success.
I think the point isn’t he’s the secret ingredient
It’s just he isn’t Harrison Barnes and actually helped win games lol
No one is saying he’s Harrison and that he didn’t help win games he’s Kevin Durant of course he did lol but my thing is acting like his gravity was on the level of Curry’s is just not what happened on the court. We watched the games and have watched both guys play without each other.
I agree with you and in fact used those same stats in a comment a week ago, but I don’t think Steph is a better player per se. I think he creates a better offense and is a more impactful player, but I understand when people say kd is the better player since that’s subjective to some degree.
Curry is the better offensive player and is more impactful than KD because he’s simply the better basketball player. People have a hard time with this concept because KD is taller and has a more aesthetically pleasing jumper which of course is a shallow way to evaluate who affects winning more.
KD never joins the warriors he likely never wins and we aren’t having this discussion. He should be compared to james harden not curry or LeBron.
I agree with you and personally put Steph above KD. I believe Steph has a greater offensive impact on a team and KD has a greater defensive impact, so depending on roster construction I think theres instances where KD would have a larger impact which is all i meant when I said who the better player is can be subjective.
If KD’s defensive impact could overcome the difference between curry’s and his offensive impact you would be right but we know that isn’t the case. Because KD doesn’t protect the paint, his defensive impact is about the same as a curry’s over a large sample size.
Then you mention the words ‘playmaking or ‘ball handling’ when we talk about their offensive impact and the gap between curry and Durant’s offensive impact becomes insurmountable. It’s not a coincidence curry has the deep ties to winning and KD has the deeper ties to losing. KD isn’t on the same level as curry otherwise OKC would have a championship.