Oh this is gonna be gooooooood
No, they’re named in the lawsuit, she’s suing Twitter in France. It’d be very difficult to sue everyone named individually as they’re all in different countries.
I do hope she files separately against Elon and JK, she likely wouldn’t get far with US laws against Elon but in UK law she has an incredibly strong case of defamation against Rowling.
The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons
Not against Twitter
Actually, it would be quite easy. Hire a lawyer in each country. They know the value of the case, I’m sure many would work for a percentage of the payout with minimal retainer fee during the proceedings.
Yeah but if the tabloid got the facts straight then they wouldn’t be able to have a dramatic clickbait title
Except the headline in the Variety article isn’t the same as the title of this post. The actual headline says that J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk were named in the Cyberbullying Lawsuit, which is accurate.
That part
Bit of a r/confidentlyincorrect there
No, she’s NOT suing Twitter… why would you keep this comment up without at least editing it? You’re just straight up wrong.
I hope she wins or they settle out of court (more likely) because this could only happen in modern times with the help of the internet and trans people. and it was fucking insane
Misinformation
No idea if this can go anywhere but I’m cool with making bigots nervous.
Any French law experts to break this down for us would be greatly appreciated. And by French law experts, I mean Trace.
This is reddit mate, chance of a french law expert is about as realistic as chance of a french expert.
However chance of a raving angry irrational mob is very likely, enjoy
Best I can offer is an expert in French bird law
Is there any chance anyone on this sub knows what they call cheese in France?
I believe it’s “Le Cheese”
Royalé avec fromage, I believe
You mean a drag queen lawyer?
I’m 90% sure you posted this in the wrong sub. Because I’d be shocked if the average user here knows who your furry friend is.
Good luck with that. It’ll get dropped the same way the CAS appeal got dropped
FUGG YES
Good luck sister, I’m rooting for ya!
It’s masculine for a woman to call herself by her initials isn’t it, J.K.? Kinda ironic that she’s bullying someone based on gender identity.
Back in the day most women who referred to themselves by initials were suspected to be lesbians.
maybe she prefers andrew galbraith and secretly wants to be a man herself, projecting her hate onto trans people
Not sure why you’re being downvoted but it is actually funny. She calls herself J.K. and hates being referred to as Joanne. But yet she’s comfortable calling trans people things they don’t desire to be called. “Rules for me but not for thee”. She intentionally called herself J.K. instead of Joanne to have a more “androgynous” name, so that people wouldn’t avoid engaging with her writings for the fact that she’s a woman. So she herself can dabble in ambiguity but if a trans person does it, it’s a problem.
Yes this is one of the funniest things about Rowling, she used JK because she thought the books would be more popular with an ambigious name that wasn’t gendered, she also writes under a male pseudonym.
The best part is that she opposes all kinds of gender affirming surgery, even for adults, despite the mountains of plastic surgery she has done on her face. What’s that if not gender affirming surgery?
I mean, this is going to amount to nothing. She knows it. The lawyers know it. Everyone knows it. It’s just a publicity stunt.
JK Rowling is screwed if Khelif takes her to court in the UK.
The Defamation Act 2013 sets out the law on defamation. The law states that, “an untrue statement is not defamatory unless its publication has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the claimant”. - Rowling said Khelif was a male [ie transgender or intersex] woman-beater who enjoyed hurting women and could potentially kill one some day, Rowling’s statements also could have put Khelif’s life in danger as being LGBTQ+ is illegal in her home country of Algeria. There is also the demonstrable fact that Rowling was attempting to destroy Khelif’s livelihood as a professional boxer. She published these statements publically so they are not protected by private freedom of expression or “fair comment” laws. And they are demonstrably untrue, and Rowling certainly was not privy to any evidence to their veracity when she made her comments, so they are defamatory. And Rowling cant even say she recanted her statements when she was proven wrong, like after the corrupt IBC process was made public, because she just tripled down on her earlier assertions despite all the evidence.
If Khelif takes Rowling to court then its an open-shut case.
If Khelif takes Rowling to court then its an open-shut case.
Yeah that’s not how this works, junior.
Truth is a defense. They will get discovery. Maybe even court-ordered medical tests.
Man these bot accounts with 13 karma aren’t even trying anymore
Honest Opinion is a defence to defamation in the UK. All Rowling would have to do is show that she honestly believed those things when she said them.
What JK said wasn’t untrue tho
The more she adds on, the less likely the lawsuit will stick or go anywhere…
That’s not really how it works though is it
Good.
If it does in fact make it to court, the defense lawyers will ask for medical records during discovery.
I don’t know a lot about French law, so someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that discovery is lot more limited than in the US.
They’ll certainly call that boxing federation as a witness to provide the results of the testing they conducted. And they will show her signature acknowledging the test results. At that point, it would seem like the burden will be on her to prove that she’s not a man.
Yup, queue the medical records I mentioned above. Which is when I will pull out the popcorn!
They will not, in fact, pull any medical records. The IBA data is compromised, from a Russian oligarch run organization backed by Putin. Banned for match fixing the 2016 Olympics, they have no creditability anymore and any test results they have would be so suspect as to be inadmissible in court.
They also don’t have to prove Imane Khelif is a woman (which she is) to win such a case. Imane Khelif was stated to have been born a woman, and has been a woman her whole life.
There was ZERO evidence for JK’s claims outside of disreputable foreign sources with an anti-western culture battle being propagated by their war mongering President.
It’s like Alex Jones peddling Sandy Hook conspiracies. There was no reasonable reason to believe any of that, and that’s why he’s on the hook for over a billion dollars.
The ONLY source JK or Elon had was something that isn’t a valid source - anything else that may or may not exist was not at her disposal, other than public knowledge that Imane Khelif was born a woman and lived her whole life as a woman.
In the courts, this plays out as “You honor, my client has been a woman her whole life, as evidenced by her birth certificate and passport. The defense has no admissible evidence they could have seen that would have supported their attacks at the time.”
She retains a right to privacy, so the courts aren’t going to require medical records when JK and Elon didn’t have access to her medical records when they went after her.
That test was conducted by the IBC, which is now a discredited organisation, because Khelif defeated the Russian champion and Russia’s government owned Gazprom is the only sponser of the IBC, so she was disqualified based on the results of a test taken 2 years prior which she passed at the time and now “magically” DIDN’T pass, allowing the IBC to overturn her victory and the Russian champion remained officially “undefeated”.
Its an absolute shambles that anyone gives this “test” any credit and just goes to show what people will believe so long as it lines up with their predjudices.
Imane Khelif is a woman, always has been and always will be, her having short hair and strong bone definition doesn’t change that and it is simply misogynistic to suggest that a woman with strong features isn’t a woman just because she doesn’t conform to some people’s idea of beauty.
One thing is for sure. JK is going to have the best lawyers in the world and they are going to scour the earth looking for damning evidence against Imane. The defense if going to be that Imane is a man, she knows she’s a man, and she knows she should not be fighting against women. Maybe that IBC test is an obvious fraud and her signature and obvious forgery. Maybe there’s nothing out there at all to cast suspicion on her. But if there is, JK’s lawyers are going to go after her like vicious attack dogs.
JK, under UK law, would still have to prove that she had sufficient evidence to make her assertions when she did - so if they “find” something later on it doesn’t help her case because she would have had to know that when she published the comments.
Which, obviously she didn’t/doesn’t otherwise she would have said so at the time, or to put it simply via the UK right to silence “You do not have to say anything. But, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court”.
This is all moot though because Imane is a woman and will pass whatever tests are required so long as they are not being conducted by a discredited organisation.
It’s not just the IBA. Her own team did an independent test by a world renowned endocrinologist and it confirmed she had male (XY) chromosomes.
You shouldn’t be downvoted. You are correct and posted a source.
Source?
In the interview, her French trainer and biology professor stated that he referred her to a world class endocrinologist, who confirmed “she is indeed a woman, despite her karyotype and testosterone levels.” In other words, she’s XY and male testosterone levels. (They never made it clear what facts were relied on for the “she is indeed a woman” statement, but obviously it wasn’t her genome).
The following exchange took place between the journalist and trainer/bio professor immediately after this statement about her karyotype:
Some claim that XY profiles have a physical, muscular superiority over XX profiles.
“People say that everyone should play sports. Everyone, except these people? Some suggest creating special categories, but even within a group of hypoandrogenic or hyperandrogenic people, there are differences among them. There is such a significant variation that categories cannot be established.”
Her trainer also admitted they had to lower her testosterone levels to below male levels.
She has never once claimed to be XX. I’m not sure why you would assume she is?
If I was her attorney I’d fight that tooth and nail. Medical records are irrelevant to a defamation suit; the operative question is what information Rowling had available when she said her statements. The content of medical records Rowling had no access to aren’t germane to that question.
If the defamation involves medical history wouldn’t medical records be relevant?
Here I think it’s a stretch. Subpoena a birth certificate and be done with it. Or is a birth certificate considered a medical record?
And this is how the rich will drag it to emotionally and financially try destroy her
I don’t know how French law works, but I American law to sue for defamation requires proving that the defendant knowingly said something false about you that caused damages.
Europe tends to have much stricter laws around defamation. In the US, to win, you generally have to prove that they knew what they said to be untrue especially if they said it about a public figure, and truth is an absolute defense. As far as I know, that is not generally the case in Europe. I believe you can be held liable for saying things you sincerely believed were true.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but as I understand it in the UK the burden is on the person who originally made the claim to prove that their claim was true.
Same applies for Australia.
Mostly—for the purposes of American law, “knowingly” includes reckless indifference for whether a statement is true or not true. In this instance though the distinction is irrelevent; whether Rowling said a false statement with actual knowledge it was false or with reckless indifference to whether it was false or not, the content of medical records for which she had no access are immaterial.
Medical records are entirely relevant to this specific defamation suit as they determine whether any defamation actually happened. The question is whether Rowling was telling what she reasonably believed to be true.
#Let’s goooooooo!!!
Imane Khelif’s coach said she had XY chromosomes and failed a test due to high testosterone. To me, she looks like a man. People are allowed to have an opinion.
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No he didn’t.
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No, she didn’t.
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No, she doesn’t.
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Yes, you can have an opinion, but when you use your money power and influence to try and destroy someones life then there should be consequences.
Oh wow, the Daily Mail - what a reputable source /s
That test was conducted by the IBC, which is now a discredited organisation, because Khelif defeated the Russian champion and Russia’s government owned Gazprom is the only sponser of the IBC, so she was disqualified based on the results of a test taken 2 years prior which she passed at the time and now “magically” DIDN’T pass, allowing the IBC to overturn her victory and the Russian champion remained officially “undefeated”.
Its an absolute shambles that anyone gives this “test” any credit and just goes to show what people will believe so long as it lines up with their predjudices.
Imane Khelif is a woman, always has been and always will be, her having short hair and strong bone definition doesn’t change that and it is simply misogynistic to suggest that a woman with strong features isn’t a woman just because she doesn’t conform to YOUR idea of beauty.
If the Daily Mail is wrong, why isn’t she suing them?
Caster Semenya was born and raised a woman, has a vagina, and won 2 gold medals as a woman in track and field. Yet she was banned because she’s XY chromosme with male level testosterone and the Track governing body IAAF put clear rules in place for the women’s division. The article has a direct quote with the man named. Seems reputable to me
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Yes. All of this can be settled with a test. Not opinion or feelings but a test. If science isn’t used as evidence in this case no one will be convinced.