How long was the appeal for Jordan’s appeal?I’m sure it was longer than 1min 4secs! So one appeal gets 1 minute but to appeal that appeal it can take a day or two?
From the past takes 4-10 years…
Again - the Arbiters that get picked are not independent. It’s a Star Chamber.
I find it interesting that the CAS even has an allowance in their policies regarding disclosing conflicts of interest that involves justifying why the conflict will not affect the arbiter’s judgement of a case.
Part of my undergrad degree was an ethics course, and part of my professional licensure was passing an ethics examination. Funny enough, I don’t remember learning about different levels of conflict of interest.
It was pretty clear in what I learned: if there’s even a question of conflict of interest the only ethical decision is to recuse yourself.
This very clearly comes under the Red List of IBA Guidelines on Conflicts of Interest in International Arbitration. Pretty pathetic that they can’t even stick to basic principles of natural justice.
The judge these conspirancy theories consider to be in Romania’s pocket wad also involved in trials agaonst Romania. They get randomly assigned.
Arbitrators are not always randomly assigned. It’s not like a judge, because arbitration is fundamentally based on the prior agreement of the parties. In ad hoc cases they are assigned I assume cuz of the time frame. But in regular cases usually each side picks an arbitrator they hope will be favorable to their position. Then the main arbitrator picks the head one. For single arbitrators the parties try to agree on one and if that is not possible they ask for one to be assigned based on certain criteria. I don’t know which cases you’re referring to but if it’s a 3 arbitrator panel it’s entirely possible that he was Romania’s pick.
Not relevant lol.
If you’re a judge and a case comes across your desk involving a woman that was friends with your daughter in elementary school and stayed at your house for sleepovers, you recuse yourself.
Doesn’t matter that it’s been 20 years since you’ve seen her. Your memory of this person is a sweet little girl that meant a lot to your child. Your judgement is biased.
This man is actively working for the Romanian government. It’s a clear conflict of interest.
You’ll need to provide proof he’s working for the Romanian government.
I wish our government had even a fraction of the interest for sports these wacko theories ascertain.
I totally second that!
On his firms website, the Romanian government is a frequent client of his. And he’s been working with the Romanian government for the past ten years. The evidence you’re looking for is in the free article linked above.
I’m a state employee and have to fill out COI declarations every year. My state differentiates between what it calls perceived and actual COIs. Actual COIs are more severe and require some kind of plan to eliminate or mitigate. Perceived COIs usually just require you to acknowledge that they exist. With that said, if it’s something as simple as recusing yourself from a decision that any number of alternates could handle, why not recuse yourself even if it is a perceived COI? Not doing so might technically fall in line with the rules/laws, but it sure as hell doesn’t look good.
He represented USA as well, but whatever
He did not ever represent the US. I don’t know why you guys keep repeating this lie when you can easily go to his website and look at his CV. He lists all of his national clients.
I wish they could assign a set of new judges to rescore Jordan, Ana and Sabrina’s floor routines based on video evidence. Seems like Jordan did deserve the new score, and Sabrina should not have been deducted a score for going out of bounds.
Way to traumatize all three athletes.
That would be most logical way of actions. With this Sabrina will get the bronze.
The problem with this approach is that it will be abused in the future with athletes always asking for sepaarate reviews
Exactly. They are afraid it would open a can of worms for all sports if they do this.
Oh im shocked that the body that let Russian drug cheats get away with it for years and undercut the ability of WADA and the IOC to punish them is corrupt.
Yeah those clean athletes like Flo-Jo never stood a chance.
I don’t think this fight is over.
Collusion
Getting 2002 figure skating flashbacks. What a shit show.
conflict of interest 🤡🤡🤡
But yet was still allowed to participate in the verdict🤔
Sounds like CAS has the same ethics rules as SCOTUS which is to say none at all.
The IOC really had the option to give two medals, sweep this whole judging fiasco under the rug and instead decided to turn their incompetence into one of the largest talking points of the 2024 games? FFS.
It’s not IOC incompetence, it’s the organization that runs gymnastics that fucked up…
The incompetence is on the part of the FIG, a European run organization. It’s more typical of European incompetence and stubbornness than the IOC, who’ve been pretty hands off this whole time.
IOC won’t save FIG’s ass. If FIG award these two/three athletes same ranking then IOC will, otherwise no snowball in hell chance for IOC to set that bad precedent. It’s 200% FIG mess, but FIG’s hand is tied by their rules.
Based on the article it seems that FIG’s hands are tied because they want them to be tied
Otherwise there will be even more controversies down the road if the rules are not clear and rigid. They, as well as any category when subjectivity plays an important role, should consider to give each head coach one but only one red flag challenge for the whole event, and use it then loses it. So the governing body can be in a very defensible position: 1) red flag challenge used, some rules such as inquiring time limit no longer apply (to a point) or 2) too bad you used up your red flag challenge for the whole event. Be more selective next time.
Incompetence at its best. slow clap
Oh geez. More of this. Zzzzz
Why is it so hard to give both a Bronze Medal? The consensus I get is, there is an equal amount of parties who think Romania deserved/earned the Bronze as the U.S., the judges failed here… just let both have a bronze medal and call it a day.
IOC don’t want to give two same medals to athletes unless they are tied in ranking and set a precedent, which for sure will come back to bite them if they allowed that.
FIG cannot give two or three gymnasts same ranking when their final score were different.
Hence the mess, all on FIG, which would rather dwell in their own shit but only once for a while, rather than living through recurring hell if they set precedent (different score but same ranking).
Yeah, the judging really messed up any possible fair resolution that could come out of this. I’d hate to be in FIG/IOC’s stead right now. You can’t award 1 bronze because the other side feels cheated, you can’t award 2 bronzes because #4 feels cheated, you can’t award 3 bronzes either because it creates a precedent. I don’t see a solution where at least someone isn’t screwed.
The only way this could seem fair is if they organized a showdown between the three, but sadly the rules don’t allow for that. I’m sure the gymnasts would love that since they all feel icky about it already and it would remove any doubts as to who “deserves” it.
I mean… no one actually think this Romanian won the bronze.
They thing the other one deserves it and we should hand Barbasu a bronze because she prematurely celebrated.
A lot of people think that actually. The American was mistakenly awarded an element she didn’t perform. In fact, if the appeal hadn’t happened we’d now be talking about that controversy. Now people found something else to complain about and that took a back seat but the fact is even if the inquiry had been valid, she never should have received credit for that. Just another screw up in the collection of screw ups in this event.
Nah, we’d be talking about Voinea’s ghost deduction.
That’s on the judges & her coach, not on Ana. If the judges hadn’t made the mistake, if her coach had made the right inquiry… but as Nadal said “if, if, if … doesn’t exist”.
I hope all 3 of them come back stronger and win more medals to prove everybody wrong.
Okay???
It doesn’t change the fact that would be the predominant narrative. Not what precise element Chiles performed.
How come? Looking strictly on the sporting merit, sabrina should get the bronze.
But instead because of the jury fuckedup, the other romanian girl, Ana, will get the bronze
Sabrina needs to play by the rules of the game just like everyone else. Everyone else challenged their unfair score, but Sabrina’s coach failed to challenge this unfair score. She can’t challenge it days after the competition while her team is simultaneously trying to strip a medal from their competition for challenging their score literally 4-seconds late.
As I said strictly performance-wise speaking Sabrina should get bronze
Well them submitting 4 seconds after is literally not playing by the rules. You can’t have it both ways.
Agreed. But the US is saying that they have proof it was submitted within the time frame.
Then where is said proof?
Where is the proof that they submitted it 4 seconds late?
So, one Romanian getting the bronze is as good as another, in your eyes?
Where did i said that? Its a fucked up Situation.
Sabrina is the rightful winner of the bronze medal But instead Ana got the medal.
Major fuckup from the jury
Yes, you just proved precisely my point.
“This Romanian” refers to Barbosu.
Ahahaha… never ever in my life I have seen bigger cry babies and sore losers like americans.
Lol. Clearly I struck a nerve.
Just go look at the reply by the Romanian flair who agreed with me. (Unbeknownst to them, granted, due to my somewhat vague language)
It’s obvious very very few actually think Barbosu deserves the bronze.
There’s also no logically consistent way to reward Barbosu the bronze. Either you argue that judging mistakes should be rectified at which point Voinea should be awarded the bronze or judging mistakes shouldn’t be corrected at which point Chiles should be awarded the bronze as the judging mistakes (including allegedly accepting a late appeal) should stand.
But sure, keep pretending you think it’s Barbosu rather than Voinea who deserves the bronze.
This is Clarence Thomas levels of compromised.
Trump and Russian golden shower delivering hookers level of comprised.