LeBron: 4 rings in 20+ seasons, changing teams 3 times
Kobe: 5 rings without changing teams
LeBron: 2 superstar teammates (3 if you count Kyrie)
Kobe: 1 superstar teammate
The Shaq argument doesn’t make sense since LeBron has played with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis all in their primes. Kobe just had Shaq and Pau. Even if you said they had equal help, Kobe got 1 more ring so….
So is LeBron just better because his stats look nicer? Because it hasn’t translated to winning as much as Kobe did in less time and in a tougher conference.
I don’t think people are valuing winning enough. I know it’s a team sport but I just showed you that Kobe won more with less.
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you and me both, brother.
lebron is a genetics/layup merchant.
sure he was more efficient and that plays a massive role. Kobe didn’t have the luxury of the body lebron had.
kobe had to take the tougher way out, lebron was gifted everything. Kobe needed to work on his footwork to a demonic degree… lebron = bulldoze/travel to easy 2s
Wait, so who is better is defined by who is gifted but not too gifted?
Thank you.
Everyone in the NBA is genetically gifted. Doesn’t make someone like LeBron or Shaq less great because they were even more genetically gifted
Sounds like you’re admitting that LeBrons better but just wish it weren’t so
This is like saying I’m a better shot blocker than Wemby because I have to work harder to get blocks while Wemby is naturally taller
Kobe was also a generational athlete with insane vertical. He’s just smaller than Bron and plays the guard position, so it’s more jumpshot focused
You also didn’t make any arguments. People think lebron is better, because he’s a better player.
You can look at the overall game. Lebron has no dribble or crossover game. Off the rip, it’s off putting.
I didn’t make an argument and I do not intend to. I also don’t argue with flat earthers. If you think Kobe is better, well then swell.
Way more MVPs, more FMVPs, More All-NBA 1st nods, higher career points/rebounds/assists/steals/blocks per game and for career, way more efficient scorer, better 3pt shooter, better to significantly better in literally every advanced metric, significantly better at start of career and end of career, better and longer prime, better peak season, way better in playoffs in career, significantly better peak playoff run …
Oh, and LeBron was also In-Season Tournament MVP and IST 1st Team Nod. Case closed.
Keep picking those cherries 🍒
Lebron teaming up with Kyrie and Love is like Kobe teaming up with Pau and and prime Tmac.
LOL delusional take and Pau continues to be the most under appreciated player in the last 30 years largely due to mamba mentality and Kobe constantly throwing him under the bus
Don’t forget rape trials in Colorado:
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0
nbacj leaking
thats nice most people do
Not a fan of both, but stop it.
This might be the dumbest thread in r/nba history
Easy buddy. Folks in this sub hate Kobe. This was a losing battle before you even hit “Post.”
Kobe is a top 10 player of all time. He is NOT top 2. That’s not hating it’s just reality
I mean, I will address your main point and ignore all the other bits of data you are totally ignoring that show Lebron is blatantly better. You are focused primarily on rings, and on the help they had when they won them. Even that argument favors Lebron. I will make it incredibly simple for you OP:
Lebron was the best player on 4 title teams
Kobe was the best player on 2 title teams
There ya go. Your entire argument negated by an incredibly simple summation of their rings and their help.
This is maybe the most unhinged thing I’ve ever seen written on this sub. And there’s been a lot of unhinged things written on this sub.
LeBron: 4 rings in 20+ seasons, changing teams 3 times
Kobe: 5 rings without changing teams
You say that like winning a championship on different teams is easier…
Typical arguments for LeBron >>> Kobe
- Better per game and counting stats
- Far better elimination and Game 7 performer
- 3 more MVPs and 2 more FMVPs
- 16-6 H2H and outplayed him in totality
Typical arguments for Kobe >>> LeBron
- One more sidekick ring durrrrr
- some players horseshit opinion
- mamba mentality
- more fraudulent All-Def teams
Kobe didn’t play against those Warriors teams.