They are close in age. Both Top 2 PGs in the league.
Barring Injuries, they will be the Top 2 PG this decade presumably
They are also consistent MVP Candidates this decade. Just losing to Bigger Better players in Joker and Giannis. And Arguably Embiid too.
But speaking of MVP.
Who do you think will win MVP first? This decade.
How about FMVP?
Do you expect them to a standard tha both of them should win MVP or FMVP this decade to early 2030s?
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I will once again like to remind everyone that Luka has been a FIRST Team All NBA Caliber player since his sophmore season (5 seasons). SGA has been an All NBA Caliber player for like 3 seasons and a First team caliber player for 1 season.
Maybe unpopular but Jokic can definitely get another, he will have to carry a lot harder this season than last
SGA will get MVP first and Luka FMVP first. The Mavs aren’t really built for the regular season and the Thunder strike me as one of those teams that are more successful in the regular season than the playoffs.
Also SGA is the hot new prospect and Luka’s early excellence is clearly held against him in the form of voter fatigue without actually winning the award. Nothing shy of the 1st seed and 35/9/9 will get Luka an MVP.
Meanwhile about 30/6/5 will probably be good enough for SGA to get MVP if he’s a top 2 seed with a vastly superior squad than any other Western conference team.
Luka Doncic both. These two players are not on the same level.
Shai. Hes ahead of Luka in MVP voting this yr against the denial of a hoard of obnoxious Dallas fans on this sub and is prime for an even better No. 1 seed next yr.
Defense is the calling card. As long as Shai hits his consistent 30 PPG (which he’s legit at), he’ll always have defense to which is MILES ahead of Luka. 2 way players like him are ultra valuable and that’s how he’s able to carry an OKC team to No. 1 with 0 AllStars, impacting both ends of the court heavily, while Luka is a sieve.
All that “heavy impact on both ends ” and he’s still a conference finals virgin
Are u Nostradamus ? The funniest thing ever would be the mavs finishing next season as a higher seed than okc despite them being so overhyped. OKC had an insane injury luck next year and that’s the only reason why they were the first seed. The mavs were one of the most injured teams last year, two of their most important pieces arrived at the trade deadline and they still won 50 games. They got better they will win more games
Defense at the least important defensive position is what puts Shai over Luka? Also basically having the least injured team in the West is what how they were able to finish 1st
Luka for both.
Luka’s current window for championship is a lot smaller, because OKC has a young and very good team. If they do manage to get one in the next 1-2 years, that’d be great. MVP - SGA is a very good player, Luka is just something else. MVP wise, he’s just been unlucky that there’s another chubby Balkan unicorn in the league at the same time as him, but he’s out there, putting up video game numbers since he’s been 16 so he’s titles will come.
Luka obviously but media hates the Mavs like always so I’m not surprised if SGA wins it
Both more deserving than Jokic
They are also consistent MVP Candidates this decade.
SGA has been an MVP candidate for one season. Luka has been an MVP candidate for the last 5 years.
Luka somehow is suffering voter fatigue despite never winning. The media loves the current young OKC team and the new young superstar in SGA (even though he’s 8 months older than Luka).
SGA is probably winning MVP this year.
Just for clarity, SGA has finished top 5 in MVP in the past two seasons
SGA just had better numbers on a better team. Voter fatigue has nothing to do with it. Led the league in EPM, 2nd behind Jokic in WS/48, 3rd behind Jokic and Giannis in PER, 4th in BPM.
SGA just had better numbers on a better team.
Better team, yes. Better numbers, no.
SGA finished over Luka for MVP the last two seasons. I don’t think Luka is getting voter fatigue, he’s just coming up while Jokic has been on more successful teams. As long as the Mavs can be remain near the top of the West he’s bound to get the award eventually.
Even when Jokic was on a less successful team than Luka, Jokic was given MVP
Mavs can be remain near the top of the West he’s bound to get the award eventually.
People say this. But it could easily be the opposite where he never gets one. The older players get the less likely they are to win MVP. Most MVP winners tend to be younger because there’s a level of effort required during the regular season that older veterans are not willing put in to win.
tbf Luka will be what 26 by the time the next MVP is named? plenty of guys won their first MVP at or after age 26. Kobe, Embiid, Harden, Curry, Dirk, KG, Shaq to name a few
Luka will for sure get his MVP eventually. Mavs just need to start the year strong in the standings for him to build up some momentum
I was thinking in more seasons played not age. How many seasons a player has played really changes how players approach the regular season more than their age.
There are only 3 out of 15 multiple MVP winners who won their first MVP after their 6th season. Magic, Karl Malone and Steve Nash. Two of those players (Malone and Nash) you could argue shouldn’t even be 2 time MVPs and the other (Magic) spent most of early years with arguably the 3rd best player of all time on his team.
Most players who win their first MVP after their sixth season only end up with one MVP. Luka is currently on that track.
If Tatum, SGA, Brunson, Ant end their career with one MVP people will consider that a great achievement.
If Luka ends his career with only one MVP many people would consider that an underwhelming career. That’s why him taking this long to get his first matters more than people realise.
I disagree that Luka retiring with one MVP would look bad on him. it would be the same as Harden where people understand he had multiple MVP-level seasons but the voting didn’t always go his way which is why he only ended up with one
Tbf Gilgeous Alexander is older than Doncic. This take fits both players, if its true.
One of them is getting mvp this year, jokic is done winning them so it’s gonna be Shai and Luka battling for it the next 3-4 seasons, I can see Shai getting 2 in the next 4 years and Luka getting the other 2 really
Nah, Jokic, Embiid and Giannis are top tier. Shai would get his, but Luka has to hope Victor doesn’t rise too quickly. Luka’s defense is far and away the worst of everyone.
Funny how the Nuggets lost because Jokic’s interior defense (or lack thereof) made Ant look like Jordan but Lively slowed him down considerably as a rookie, yet it’s Luka’s defense that’s the worst of everyone.
Another Edwards, Jalen Brunson, Greek freak, Joel, Wemby, just to name a few that will definitely be in MvP conversations for the next few years just like SGa and Luka. It’s not just Luka and SGA.
I don’t see Greek freak being in real conversations unless his team is #1 or #2 seed, Jalen brunson maybe but over Shai or Luka!? I could see ant edwards winning 1
Brunson is already 28 I do t see him having better seasons in the future than guys like Ant, Shai or Luka
SGA can truly win it this year especially with how crazy that Thunder roster is looking. I actually don’t know if Luka will get a MVP in his career because with the inevitable Wemby takeover, & the concern with his body, he’ll always be in talk but might never actually get it. I think like 2026-2027 season (random ik lmao) will be his best bet/his era to potentially take home a few. I can truly see anywhere between 0 & 3 with him. FMVP give me SGA again too.
And we don’t have any concern about wemby’s body ? I don’t get why everybody assumes it will be so easy for him to get the top spot so early. Guys like Ant, Shai, Luka are not even in their prime yet
Luka had a pretty notable injury going into the playoffs this past year that obviously got better (or maybe he just played through it better) but he looked rough movement wise. Pair that with the fact he is always playing basketball in the offseason & has been professional since like 16 It’s reasonable to say he won’t push for an MVP. I’m not saying he’ll miss a bunch of games every year, I’m more so saying he won’t go all out in the regular season.
The fact Luka got his team to 50 wins with a rookie center and his 2nd star missing 30 games while average 34/9/10 and came 3rd in MVP makes me suspect he can’t win one. Especially as last season he scored 73 points in one game, got the record for most consecutive 30 point triple doubles and the highest combined points + rebounds + assists since Kareem.
One of them will get it this season if either of their teams get the 1 seed. OKC getting back to back 1st seeds would be enough for Shai, especially if his point average is in the 28-30 range. Luka will put up his typical monster numbers, so it’ll just be about if he can sustain them. The head to head games will also play a big key in who the media will vote for as well.
You think Nba Media Voters are done voting for the Generational Modern Big Men (Joker, Giannis, Embiid)?
So, it is either Luka or SGA now?
When okc traded for sga i never ever imagined a day where sga be in the same breath as luka.
I still find it surreal today so I still think luka is the best talent since kd and will get multiple mvps over the next few years but im just glad that sga is in the convo.
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